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Sharon Fox - Huh?
1) It's a matter of property rights, not who is right & who is wrong. You obviously don't agree that someone can choose to live by their moral convictions and own a business unless they agree to support what they think is immorality by supporting the lesbians in their marriage (Gay marriage isn't in the Bible, BTW). YOU are JUDGING someone ELSE'S faith by YOUR emotion-based opinions. Why are you betting you know how the other person would think?
2) Why should it matter? How much have you read on the moral conservative side to get the answers? They believe homosexual sexual activity is sinful, against the God of the Bible's will. Why should they support by their business assisting in a marriage they believe is immoral, against Eph 5, etc? Rom 1 condemns giving approval to immorality, etc., & assisting in making what they think is an immoral and wrong re-definition of the Rom 1 principle.
That IS "standing on her beliefs". If you understood why and thought as she did, then you would know- even if you personally disagreed.
Jesus in Matt 19:4-6 (See also MARK 10:5-9):
""Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator `made them male and female,' and said, `For this reason A MAN will leave his father and mother and be united to his WIFE, and THE TWO will become one flesh'? So THEY are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.""
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3) You question her being a CHRISTIAN, her SALVATION? THEN, you point fingers and bring up the few slivered words clipped out of context, Greek, etc "don't judge"?
Aren't YOU judging? Yes. Paul in Rom 2 had this to say about such acts of contradiction:
"You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."
The liberal and pro-homosexuality side love to regularly use the "don't judge", but they do it all of the time against those they disagree with.
I think the New Testament's doctrine on how to become a Christian/saved takes precedence over the liberal feelings-based, modern, agenda-driven mores of PCism.
Eph 2:8-9, Rom 10:9-10, Rom 4-5:1, etc.
What is your definition of a Christian, and how BIBLICAL is it? That's the big question on your accusation against someone who takes the historic, traditional, biblical viewpoint.
You stand as judge over her salvation, based on unbiblical and anti-biblical political/social advancement of the Left?
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4) Live by Jesus' words to "love they [sic- thy] neighbor"? One of the HUGE problems with the Left's propaganda is to smear and demonize those they disagree with and are blind to the contradictions, and bankrupts of their 'reasoning' and misuse of the Bible and more.
WHY is it automatically HATING others if you disagree with their theology, political views, social/moral ideas or sex or relationships? By your line of argument, we cannot disagree with anyone on theology, morality, political/social goals for society! WHY limit it to just homosexuality? Why not premarital sex for heteros? Adultery? Being a Democrat or Repub?
You really should know that one can oppose gay marriage, etc., and not hate - even if they DARE to live those convictions in their business.
WHY have you bought into the shallow smears and illogic of the Left?!
THAT is a solid foundation to JUDGE others like YOU do?
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5) "[D]on't judge"? At all? Like you & the pro-GBLT issues people do to the non-conformists? Inconsistent?
On judging other's doctrine, morality, and the like:
Matt 7:1, Jesus & judging: Greek is 'krino' & has different meanings. Not all judging is same in the Greek (not even in English).
What KIND of judging is in view by Jesus? If one upholds what the BIBLE'S God has already spoken on, it is right to affirm it, share it, and live it. Anything else is disobedience.
The standard isn't a political/social pressure movement that is only about 44-50 years old from the Left & Far Left (Harry Hay/Mattachine Society, Stonewall, etc).
Jesus goes on to say if your taking care of yourself you CAN take the speck out of another person's eye. See Romans 2:1-3 as well.
Jesus later in Matt 7 WARNED of FALSE prophets & to JUDGE claimed prophets by FRUITS of a prophet (their doctrine of God & if they are 100% accurate 100% of the time- Deut 13 & 18). Jesus speaks of immorality, FALSE prophets, etc. You contradict Jesus in context of his own words.
The type of judging he is speaking of is *hypocritical judging. Jesus used the same teaching at another time, and shed light on what he said by saying "You HYPOCRITE".
Jesus is John 7:24 plainly states one can judge in certain ways, as long as it is correct, righteous judging: "JUDGE *righteous* JUDGMENT."
Obviously, if he says to judge in some ways, how to judge, when to judge, he is not demanding sinlessness or perfection before one obeys Jesus here.
How can the CHURCH use church discipline that was instituted by JESUS in Matt 18 & also by apostle Paul in 1 Cor 5 for sin, if Christians cannot 'judge' at all?
John 7:24- JESUS says "JUDGE *righteous* JUDGMENT."
He also pointedly said:
"Why do you call me, `Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? 47 I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice. [see vss. 48-49]"
The Christian scriptures even state (which I just found) in:
* LUKE 7:43:
""You have judged correctly," Jesus said."
* Rev 2:2- They are commended because they "TESTED" claimed apostles & found them "LIARS/FALSE".
* Acts 17:11- After hearing the apostle Paul preach, the Bereans TESTED/judged "whether" his preaching was right, according to the already written scriptures, and were commended as "more noble-minded" than the others. Christians today should not do less. They cannot do this if they do not 'judge'- decide truth from error.
Eph 4:15- speak TRUTH in love.
One CANNOT obey the language and CONTEXT of Matt. 7, John 7:24, Acts 17:11, Rev 2:2, or affirm the condemnations of those who are immoral, etc., in 1 Cor 6:9-11 without judging in any way - deciding what is right & wrong.
Those without an objective (not subjective) standard of absolute right & wrong, no one has a 'yardstick' to say the bakery was right or wrong.
What is YOUR objective standard of absolute right & wrong to condemn the bakery's actions based on CHRISTIAN convictions?
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6) "Bigotry and rigidity were not part of Jesus' message."
How much of the BIBLE did you study for that answer? Did you just go on slivers of scripture, and the Left's feelings-based picture?
JESUS' OWN WORDS:
* JOHN 7:24: "JUDGE *righteous*' JUDGMENT."
* MATT 5:28: "But I say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart."
* MATT 7:13-15, 22-23: "Enter through the NARROW gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to DESTRUCTION, and MANY enter through it. But SMALL is the gate and NARROW the road that leads to LIFE, and ONLY A FEW find it.
"WATCH OUT for FALSE prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are FEROCIOUS WOLVES. ...
"Many will say to me on that day ..Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'"
* MATT 11:27: "No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
* MATT 12:30: "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters."
* MATT 13:40-43 (also 47-51): "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear. ...
"Have you understood all these things?" Jesus asked."
~ Can you "hear" him? ~
* MATT 15:19: "For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, SEXUAL IMMORALITY, theft, FALSE testimony, SLANDER [MARK 7:22 includes: "lewdness"]. THESE are what make a man `UNCLEAN'; but eating with unwashed hands does not make him `unclean.'" "
* MATT 18:9: "It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell."
* MATT 23:33: "You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? "
* MATT 24:24 ( See also MARK 13:22): "For false Christs and false prophets will appear"
* MATT 25:41: "Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. ...Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.""
* MARK 8:34-38 (Also LUKE 9:23-26): "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me and for the gospel will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, yet forfeit his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul? If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of him when he comes in his Father's glory with the holy angels."
* MARK 9:47-49: "It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, where
"`their worm does not die,
and the fire is not quenched.'
Everyone will be salted with fire."
You really need to do more sound, solid and honest study before parroting the typical talking points of the verbally hypocritical and weak thinking Left.
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